Jessica Moore

Episode #40 March 24, 2016

Jessica Moore is a mom who has a passion for herbs. When her baby had a diaper rash, she whipped up an amazing balm that healed it. To make a long story short, she founded an awesome herbal remedy company out of that experience. Many who come to LearningHerbs often wonder how to learn about herbs and take that passion into the world. We’ll see how Jessica did it, and we’ll also ask her some of her favorite herbal first aid secrets.

Episode Transcript

From HerbMentor.com, this is Herb Mentor Radio.

Good evening, everybody. This is John Gallagher from LearningHerbs.com, and welcome to our herbal teleconference series.

And, for many of you, I know this is the first time you're hearing me speak outside of those little recordings I have on the website.

So as as I was just saying, I was looking for a unique way of involving people in the launch of our game WildCraft.

And, because Kimberly and I really wanna involve you in the process. And rather than just send you ads, we'd rather just inspire you about new ways to use herbs in your life, like our herbal branches newsletter. We even have a new one coming out tomorrow, a really fun one.

And and let's see. And, recently, I was a listener on the teleconference, to learn about something, and I was really really liked it and how it went. So I was wondering who I should interview. So as I'm wondering, you know, you guys they you know, you ask that you put questions out there sometimes, and then, and then an order comes in from Jessica Moore.

And, you know, she, I could see that she had a website, and I went and visited it. And I was just, like, really inspired by the products that she had. And she has more naturally dot com. That's m o o r e, not m o r e, but put an extra o in more, more naturally dot com.

And, and then it all just fell together. And I swear, fifteen minutes later, I had the other three guests. It was just amazing. Just meant to be.

I just acted on an urge that I had to I was inspired. I was like, yep. This is what I gotta do.

So, we'll talk about more about the other three guests we're gonna have at the end of the call. And, I wanna let everyone on this call know that we're gonna give away a really cool prize at the end. So hang on, and one of you on here will get that, and I'll mail that out to you.

And, so, we'll get to the interview here. So Jessica Moore of moore naturally dot com is with us, and she's she's an herbalist and owner of an herbal business.

Many of you get the herbal medicine making kit, have have shared with me that you're inspired about doing something, you know, like what Jessica is doing, which is taking you know, we we all wanna take our passions into the world. You know, we all we all if we're really excited about something, you know, it inevitably creeps into our minds, like, I wonder if I can make a living at this. And, and and and so that's why I wanted to interview Jessica about some guidance about these kinds of things because I could see that that's what she did. I could read that in her story on her website.

And also, hey, if you have some time, ask some advice for herbs and common ailments. So, hi, Jessica.

Hi. Hi. How are you doing?

One. This is this is kinda funny because this is actually reminding me of, when I was at I was actually we talked about we were in the theater and all that, and I actually was a DJ on a radio station too, so this is kinda funny.

I know It is kinda like that.

One time, I I was working at two different stations, and, I had, and I, like, I'm on the air, and I'm like, and you're listening to ninety one point three WCNJ, and and the person comes in, and she's like, eighty nine point seven.

Like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Right.

But anyway, so in your story, on your website, you say that you, that the the inspiration and or these to the beginnings of the herbal business started with a bad case of diaper rash. So what what's that what's that story?

It wasn't me that had it.

Let's just Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Your baby.

Well, thank you so much, First John. Thank you so much for inviting me to do this. This is You're welcome. I was really honored by your request, and I was exceptionally honored when I saw, my name up there with some of other herbalists and, especially Susan Weed. I've always respected her and and, you referenced her so many times. And hopefully, someday, I'll be able to take a course with her when my daughter's old enough. So I I like I said, thank you so much for this opportunity.

Awesome.

Yes. I this my studies in herbs had started years and years ago, mostly just, you know, little books that I picked up and, you know, I I knew I loved herbs. I've I was raised a vegetarian. I was raised natural.

We're using natural medicines and whatnot. And so, throughout my life, I, you know, I always incorporated that, you know, into my daily living, whether I was, you know, in theater or in graphic design or in marketing Mhmm. And so on and forth. And, when I was pregnant, I was constantly searching for that dream job where I could, you know, be a mom and and not have to work in a corporate world and setting and all of that.

And so one time during my, during a, prenatal yoga class, I I sort of had this euphoric moment where my eyes opened wide, and I said, I could I could, like, study and really you know, I I could turn this into a business. And, you know, I call and ran out to my husband. I'm like, this is what I wanna do. And he's like, okay.

You know? And, so I started researching different courses that I could take to to advance my knowledge from from basic to folklore and, you know, basic stuff that I learned. And I took a few courses in the area, little weekend workshops, and, I took, not really knowing much. I just sort of, like, grasped at anything I could find and and and, you know, swallowed it all up basically while I was pregnant and I had the time to do so.

And then, I, yeah, I thought of different things. So I could start this business. I could originally, I wanted to to make all these different sort of, funky tinctures, you know, with funny little marketing names because at the time, I was working in marketing, and so that was really my my little niche.

But that actually hasn't even evolved.

What happened was I I decided to take, the master herbalist program from Australasian College, which is a correspondence program mainly because I was, you know, seven months pregnant, and I couldn't be going off anywhere doing anything. And so, that was very convenient for me.

And they are, they started Oregon.

Mhmm.

And and I will talk a little bit about that program in a in a little while. But, so while I was taking that, I, you know, I every nap time I mean, obviously, I had the baby in the meantime. And, every nap time, I would do my homework. And and then, when when Brenna was that's my daughter, Brenna. When she switched from breastfeeding to solids, she started to rash terribly bad.

And so, you know, being this little new herbalist, you know, I in the kitchen and I'm whipping up this and that and and I, I ended up making what is now known as Bonnie Bottom Bomb.

And if you look at the picture on my website, that's, that's my bottom. Actually, no. No. I'm just joking. It's a friend of the model who, at four right now, feels that, she's she's she loves the fact that it's her bought on that logo, but we'll see what happens when she turns thirteen. Right.

But, I so I applied it, and, it worked really well.

Really well. Like, scary well.

She used to cry at even the thought of having her diaper changed. So you'd put a layer down on the changing table and she would just start to flip out because it was always so sore and so red. And, I I put it on at nap time and she'd nap for an hour and a half and I changed her diaper after she napped and and it it was almost healed. You know, it was like magical.

So I had a couple of friends at the time that had babies and I gave them some. I'm like, you know, check this out. Tell me what you think. And they have the same results.

And so I I kinda looked at my husband and I went, I think I should probably start marketing this. I think other people need to have this.

And, and that's where it started.

What what's what's in, what's in the bomb?

Magic potion. No. I think honestly, I think that what what really there's for herbs, there's, plantain, palm tree, calendula, a little lavender essential oil for antibacterial properties, but it's also in an olive oil, lanolin, and beeswax base. And what I believe how I interpret its healing action is, obviously clean the area and apply the balm and the lanolin works as a waterproofer so that the herbs actually can go in and heal the skin. The demulcent properties of the herbs can actually heal the redness and the chapped irritation of the skin while there's no more, moisture affecting, you know, making it more raw and irritated.

Right.

So it just ends up working really fast. But I I think, obviously, the colenda and comfrey are are key demulcent herbs. I really believe the plantain really helps the, you know, reduce the redness and the irritation just like you can use it on a bee sting, you know, it just it it just soothes it marvelously. And it works so well for different things too. I I I mean, we use it still every day. My daughter is four and a half and, you know, she's in school and running around on the playground and and, you know, the noses run and they get all chapped lips and red noses and I I put it on her I've actually put it on her after she falls asleep so that she doesn't wipe it off. And she wakes up and the redness of her nose is all gone.

I think there's a lot of people on the line going, yep. Because, that's like a lot of the same herbs in the salve they make and and people have made on this call from the herbal medicine making kit.

Oh, great.

Yeah. Preplantain and whatnot. Now for us, Ayoka, since we're on the cut the the, since we're on the diaper rash thing, what we found that worked the best for us was a a straight chickweed oil.

Oh, really?

Very cooling. Yeah.

And I don't know how many radical people there are out there, but, you know, we've even done, like, just crushed up plantain or just crushed up chickweed leaves and just stick it in the diaper.

It's worth it.

You know what it is. It's anything goes when you have a suffering child.

So, you said that you started learning and you took this course now.

Any experience or interest before you took the course? Or was it just this thing like something sparked like, oh, I wanna learn about plants?

Well, I like as I said, I've always, you know, I've always opted for natural medicine in my own life, but I didn't have an extensive knowledge of it. So what I looked for like I said, I took some workshop courses and and things like that and and it expanded it a little bit. But what I looked for was a more scientific approach. What I wanted to do for my myself, obviously, and and for my customers is to be able to explain why the herb works, not necessarily just trust me it works, you know, you'll be surprised. So I was looking for a little bit more of a scientific approach And that program, although it had some, you know, it had its downsides, especially being correspondence that was difficult that way to not actually hear the pronunciations and not you know, have any major hands on with with your instructor Mhmm. Lessons like that.

But I really learned a lot about the body Mhmm. The systems of the body, the ailments of those systems, and then the herbs that support those systems. And so, that was really that was a really good basis for me. You know, I personally, on a personal level, I I I read about, you know, the magical properties of herbs as well, you know.

Right. But as far as from a business venture, I wanted that real scientific. So when I sit down with people and talk about the active constituents that are in each herb, I can explain how they affect the body systems, how echinacea ends up building white blood cells and that's why it improves your immune system. It's not there is actual scientific backing to it.

So that was actually that was pretty good about that course. You learned a lot about active constituents and primary properties and secondary properties. And, and then, you know, there's always, you know, different interpretations on how you build a formula.

But Which is, which is and and what you're saying is is I want everyone to get that that is a wonderful way, and also to see that there are many ways to begin learning.

Now now you heard what Jessica is doing now. When I came and approached it, I, working in wilderness awareness school, had more of a nature connection, And I just started by learning the names of plants around me and learning about the plants and someone saying, hey. They can do this, this, and this. So I came from more of the perspective of the herb, which is a way that I teach in the course that I wrote.

But then through that door discovering later the body and all, like, I had studied herbs for a while. And then when I was in acupuncture school, I had, you know, took anatomy and physiology and a lot of different science courses, and I was like, oh, that's what a spleen does. You know?

And and so you eventually come to it. But the the point is, right, and I think you'd agree, Jessica, is you just gotta start somewhere.

Absolutely.

Absolutely. And anything helps. You know, subscribe to magazines. Get on different websites that send out little bits of information about herbs as they get, you know, as new properties get discovered and and, you know, any any little bit will build your repertoire of knowledge.

And, you know, I'm I'm obviously, I'm still learning all the time. And I I need to research things. But, you know, I don't I can't pop up, you know, every you know, somebody stops me on the street and asks me what about this. And most of the time, I I say, let me do some research on that because I, you know, I I have to to do that.

I know the information, but I, you know, I wanna double check myself, and I wanna make sure there isn't anything more current out there. Mhmm.

For example, I've personally on a personal level, I suffer from migraine headaches and, you know, within the past couple of years, they found that pedacytes, which is butterbur, is very successful in preventing migraine headaches. And, you know, I tried the whole feverfew route, and I didn't I didn't really notice much of a difference when I was taking that. But I have, since August, taken, butterbur tincture every single day. I take a half a teaspoon every single day, and my migraines have cut down probably seventy five percent or more.

And that's just a new finding. They didn't really even know that it had that property and and now they're also saying that it's also very, very good for seasonal allergies. So, you know, get on those new newsletters and get her a quarterly magazine and, you know, read the little things and and just start building a knowledge database.

Now I know that, like, when someone's to a lot of you out there, when someone like, you know, Jessica just tells you, oh, I learned about read about this about butterburin helps with migraine, that it goes swirling around in your head like, oh, wait. I can okay. How do I do it? Wait. What do how do I know this is safe?

How do I go about this? And you look up migraines and you see right. You look in the book. Right?

Right, Justin? You see, like, you know, like, books that have, like, you know, ten or twelve different herbs. And you're like, oh, which one do I use? Well, do I use two of them or all of them?

Do I use all of these or just one of these or five of these? Or which one? And, and really and I emphasize, Jessica, on our site that it's about just one experience at a time. A lot of you out there know how to make a tincture from the echinacea tincture from the kit.

And so, basically, you put the plant in a jar, fill it up with oxygen. You let it sit for a while. Right? You strain it out, and then you can use it.

And then if you keep your learning to these isolated events, and then it inspires you to do research, you connect the dots, and then you just that's how you grow as an herbalist.

Absolutely.

It's it is it is like you said before, it is it is my passion, and I really found that I am so happy when I'm working with herbs. You know, I was with this business a lot of because it's a small business, I do everything essentially. And, you know, the other day, I'm coming up to several big events, and and I have a a couple of new accounts, stores that want product. And so I've been, you know, working on the computer like crazy and ordering, and and I just I I just stopped.

And I went in the other room because I had a tincture that was ready to be decanted. And and I just said, I need to do what I love now. You know? I mean, enough I I know this is all for the business, but I just we have to keep reminding myself that what is it that that is the passion here.

Yes.

And and I'm not you know, I love making new products, and I have, several new products that I haven't launched yet, just because I need to get the business going more with what I have.

And every new product is an investment when you're talking about, packaging and labeling and remember By the way, your labels are beautiful.

I think, you know, that's the first thing that caught my eye because, like I said, I'm through packaging and I'm like Thank you. Those are great labels.

Thank you. Yeah. We, my husband and I actually worked very hard this past weekend, and and we made a lot of product. And we were he was my labeling, department.

And The labeler?

Yeah. My late he was, you know, he's cooking bottle washer of that whole department the other day, and we were make you know, I love this label. No. This one's my favorite.

I love this one. And, I have to give credit to, my very close friend who used to work for me actually when I was in marketing. And, when we just we all decided to move on and go our different ways and I decided to go in this route, she stayed in graphic design and owns her own agency now. And her name is Lindsay Taylor of Tailored Image.

And she did all my labels, and I just think I thank her so much. She generally did all of my labels.

Well, I'm I have Rowan, my seven year old doing the labeling now on the kits, and then my two year old has just been promoted to bottle screwer, like bottle cap screwer.

So only one of these new products.

Tell us about one of them and how you went about formulating it and, you know, what inspired you to use those early? What was that journey of, doing that? You know? Because, you know, like, because I because I'm curious.

Like, are you inspired by you know, are you going to the plants? Are you do are you like, oh, like, I I'm really attracted to barterbur or comfrey. I really wanna search to make something with comfrey. Or is it, gosh, you know, I see a need for this kind of salve or balm or tincture, and I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna make I'm gonna find the herbs and go that way.

So what was the journey of one of these formulations?

First of all, I actually any product that gets introduced to my line has been formulated based on the needs of a client, a family member, myself, a friend, someone that had an ailment and we worked on a, you know, a solution to their ailment. And when I am happy with the results, that's when I introduce it to my line. So nothing nothing has been, just added without being tested.

And, as I I like to say, all my products are tested on my family and friends and not animals.

But that is actually not true because my dog, my, Chocolate Lab is, has been using my products for years. Uh-huh.

But, no, I I actually do base it on an ailment, and that's sort of been the, mission and the, niche of my business is everything is for an ailment. It's their products for wellness based on, a particular medical need, and I don't do anything cosmetic.

I do everything to sort of cure a problem. And I know those are all words that the FDA doesn't want you to use when you're using or talking about herbs.

But Oh, No.

We can talk about it here.

Yeah.

But one of you are the FDA listening.

I I I just made my disclaimer, so I'm all so, yeah, so that's what I have done. And, you know, I have, I have had worked with many clients that have, PMS or menopausal symptoms that, had trouble sleeping. And so I, you know, I developed, the easy dream oil and and I also use that on Brenna all the time. Not every single day, but, you know, anytime anybody with kids will know, you know, the kids are bouncing off the walls. They don't, you know, they've, you know, just had a really energetic day and, you know, it's time for bed, but they're just not there yet. And, we put Brenna calls them sleepy time drops because they actually used to be in a bottle that that dispensed it like an essential oil bottle, and now it's in a roll on bottle, which is a lot easier.

Oh, wow.

The roll on bottle is also really nice. And as you'll know from your acupuncture training, you can actually work on acupressure points for sleep with the roll on applicator. So it's kind of a double purpose container. But so that so everything has been formulated because of of somebody's need.

I have, like I said, I have products that we've that I've made for people, and they've worked. We've been really satisfied, and I'm just I'm just waiting to launch them.

But, you know, I I have to get these things going first. And, I've but that's that's that's my passion. I love having this little problem that I need to find a solution for and, you know, tweaking it and tweaking it and tweaking it until I can I can get something that I'm really happy with?

And what I like about what you're doing too, what I really advocate people using herbs, is that here's here's here's my thing. You know, because I get emails a lot. People email me in, like, what do I do for diabetes? What do I do for a migraine, for example?

Yep.

And I always email back, like, well, if you're do have doing something more of a chronic situation, it's really a good thing to go to, a licensed or qualified consultant or practitioner in complementary medicine.

And because Because you have to look holisticly.

There's so much. They can help you analyze your diet. They can Mhmm. There's there's no silver bullets happening out there for herbs. However, I feel that there are silver bullets with herbs when it's coming to, acute situations.

Exactly.

For a lot of the everyday bumps and bruises and first aid and colds and everything, I mean, I I do everyday I marvel at the effectiveness.

And I I think, herbalism gets a bad name when, you know, like, you know, someone like my mother-in-law goes, okay. I'll try herbs. John and Kimberly are into that.

She gets some feverfew, tries some tea from the supermarket, doesn't, you know and then tries it for a couple of nights and says it doesn't help her migraines and writes off herbal medicine.

Exactly.

And and and, you know, I'm thankful for all of you listening that have, you know, came to look beyond that and see that that, when we are all empowered to take care of our healthcare for our day to day stuff, we can really do a lot with herbs.

Absolutely. Another while we're on little things that bother us about herbs, I my pet peeve is how the allopathic medical world tends to negate the power of herbs right out except for how they interact with all of their drugs.

It always just cracks me up. Like, don't take this because, you know, don't take that when you're taking this, and don't take that. But I I I wanna say, but I thought you said those things didn't work or do anything.

So why can't I take them all? You know?

I know. I know.

Pet peeve is mine. There are some enlightened ones out there, but, but when we And you're absolutely right.

I mean, you always get the the big questions, you know.

For example, some I get this all the time because I deal mostly with topical products. People want a quick fix for eczema.

And Oh, yes. Eczema really is one of those conditions that addition in addition to soothing the external patch, you you all you need to treat it from the inside.

Correct.

And, you know, nobody really wants to hear that. They just want their little quick cream to to make it all better. And so, you know, that's that's one that that needs to be healed. Another product I do make, I also, it's my fungal funk ointment which is for any sort of fungal infection or ringworm or anything like that.

But with fungal infections, they're really manifestations of, an intestinal upset and or an imbalance of the Now let's take one of those examples then, and let's see how would we treat it.

Okay. I'm gonna take eczema because number one, I've I've had it in the past. And when I when I had it, I was before I learned about this stuff, and I was using a steroid cream, and it went away. And then it would come back, and it would go away.

Just so you know, ever since I've been taking our herbal drinking herbal infusions regularly, it hasn't they've never come back again.

But here's just take that for example. So we have someone who has eczema eczema. And, what herbs what's an herb or two that might you might use on the outside, but also I'm imagining you're gonna tell someone that they should be, you know, drinking some infusion regularly of some kind of herb.

Yeah. With with eczema, I quickly off the top of my head, as I mentioned, obviously, I like to do a little more research and always, when I'm working with somebody, I do look at the whole person. We look at diet. We look at anything, that might be causing an allergic condition like, eczema which is sometimes caused by a food allergy or or, an environmental allergy or anything like that. But, I have had excuse me. I've had some, success with some clients when they have taken burdock root tincture on a regular basis, and then treated the, the patches as they outbreak with, oh, a couple of we've tried different things.

Products that aren't mine that we've tried are like the TriFlora cream, some homeopathic things like that, but also my Naturally First ointment which is, in an olive oil and beeswax base and it has chickweed. Chickweed is very soothing for eczema. My rescue derm cream and my Bonnie bottom balm, both have lanolin and eczema actually needs to breathe because it's a seeping condition. So you wouldn't wanna put anything on it that wouldn't allow the skin to breathe. So I don't I discourage people from using those two products on it. So I tend to use the Naturally First ointment.

It's soothing. It has comfrey.

It has chick as I said, chickweed. It has thyme and yarrow. So it is very soothing, to the condition.

But Now as long as they they do, you know, an internal formula as well. And and, again, like, with the fungal fungus, I was saying before, you know, I always recommend that they they get on a probiotic and really, you know, sort of rebalance that intestinal bacteria and at the same time treat their exterior fungal infection.

And and burdock, tincture, that's yes. Exactly. Treating internally as well. And so, you know, everyone that's something I wanna ask Susan Weed about when I talked with her is is about, like, you know, what she does and recommends about treating those chronic things internally because I know she has a lot to say about that.

For those who've done the roots and branches course, we talk about herbal nourishment a little. And so so Jessica told us about, about burdock tincture, but I want you to know who have done that course that, you know, even even more so, a a burdock infusion like you made the nettle infusion. Mhmm. Because, the tincture is a one like, if you're Jessica, if you're seeing somebody and they're coming to you, it's really, really you know, the burdock tincture is gonna be effective.

It's something that's familiar, that it's easy for them to take.

It's really hard to tell someone else to go on and put an ounce of this in a Mason jar and let it steep and And wait eight weeks or six weeks or whatever.

Yeah. Or four, you know, six hours, four hours later to decant it. Now for all you crazy herbalist people on the line here, that's that's a natural given for all of you. But, but Jessica, for her and hers shoes, you know, it's it's different because you have to try to get help a person internally with something they're actually gonna take.

Right.

And then, of course, you deal with the the the chance that they're not gonna like what it taste like and, you know, and especially when you're dealing with children, you know, that's a real And then you say, well, do you like the eczema?

Right. Right. Which do you like better?

Sometimes I tell my daughter I'm just like, I'm just hold your nose and drink it down in one sip. Okay? Just hold your nose.

Oh, yes. That's a good thing. Yeah. Getting your kids to take herbs.

Lots of honey.

Luckily, Rowan likes licorice root, and you can use licorice root for a lot of things.

But, herbal honeys, Herbal honeys, I use a lot.

Yep.

We we're gonna put out a recipe on a future branch coming up about yellow dock syrup, that Kimberly just made for Rowan in a situation, and that's been working well. And, you know, it's yeah. There's all kinds of things you can do, but I mean, but yeah. Especially when they're coughing in the middle of the night or they have coughs and and and and the colds and my absolute favorites, you know, just because I love to help you out.

I guess it's coming up for me because I I told three different people this in the last few weeks that I know, and it's worked beautifully. It's just the the garlic oil. And there's a there's a page there's a page on on my on learning. It's about how to do this, but rubbing garlic oil on the on the kids' feet and putting socks on when they're sleeping.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Sixty percent of what you apply to your skin is absorbed into the body, and garlic is probably the best herb out there. It's just so many properties, and I I've tried the same thing. I think it's a wonderful it's wonderful. They don't they don't fight it, actually. They live in it.

My My daughter loves it.

Now I know this is like, you know, a hard question, since we just see you know, we're just saying how much we like early.

But Did you say hard question?

This could be a hard question for you to answer.

But like I sometimes I ask people, you know, well, actually, this came from this came from a friend, first person I learned from. He said, you know, I know of all these different herbs, and she's taking us around and showing us, like, two, three dozen different herbs for the day. She's like, yeah. I know about these and stuff, but you know what? I think I only really use four or five herbs.

So if you had to what what are what are your, like, your top three most used herbs in your house?

Oh, well, there's two answers to that because, in the business, I have my top three or four herbs, and then, personally, I have my top three or four herbs. Well, telephone.

Most of my products have calendula in them. Mhmm. So that would definitely be one of my top herbs.

Let's see. In the business, I also use olive oil for all my bases, which is it is an antiseptic natural antiseptic. So I have to say that would even though it's in a different form, I have to give that one a big tip of my hat. Mhmm. Comfrey, I use a little comfrey a lot. Plantain, obviously, I have to give that a lot of credit because it that really was the first, you know, the I I believe the the Bonnie Bottom Bomb secret.

So, You're helping sell the herbal medicine making tickets of every single thing you just Personally, obviously, you know, we use echinacea a lot.

We use astragalus.

Most of what we use I I I'm I actually am the only one that takes, an herb on a daily basis in our family at this particular point and that was I take the butter burn, I take it with a feverfew blend. So I actually do a fiftyfifty on that and I take that daily.

So other than that, what we use basic what we use herbs for regularly is just building, keeping our immune system up and treating anything that comes up. So, echinacea, astragalus, I use liquor strewn a lot for its antiviral properties, plus I like the taste of it.

You know, have you done this? Like we keep a, we'll keep jars of dried herbs up on the that we do infusions with up on the shelf. We have in our whole wall is just ones that we, you know, I don't think I'll just today or that today. Now have you do you often if you're making soup, throw some astragalus root into it?

I do. And also nettles.

Mhmm.

I do. Yep. Especially if it's chicken soup. If somebody's got a cold, I definitely do that. Mhmm. Nettles high high in vitamin c, so I use that a lot especially for I make a beverage I can share with you that and I call it beverage because it's sort of a decoction infusion blend.

But I I make a kind of like my answer to airborne.

Only it's a beverage.

Is that the product airborne? I've seen that.

Yeah. That product airborne.

I I use, liquor fruit, Oregon grapefruit, and echinacea, and I make a decoction with that. I bring it to a boil and reduce it, it and simmer it for ten minutes and then I pour that over, St. John's wort for its antiviral properties, lemon balm and lemongrass also for antivirals And then, nettles because really high in vitamin c. It's also good if you have a runny nose.

And then I add some other things to it if, depending upon the symptoms. If, if there's swollen glands, then I add cleavers. If there's fever, I add yarrow. If there's, you know, respiratory congestion, then I I put red clover in, and I steep the whole thing for twenty minutes.

I use a big mason jar, and I strain it out and I drink or or or we drink, I should say, whoever needs it, a half a cup every two hours. Right. And I tell you, a couple years ago here out in the East Coast, we had a bad bout of, respiratory bronchitis that just was chronic. Everybody just kept getting it and then re getting it and re getting it and we didn't get it at all.

And I I give it all to that that wellness tea, I call it. It just it just was really impressive to us.

Now I'm gonna I'm gonna make an assumption here, Jessica, that that, you know, I I'm I'm imagining there's some people out there who are frantically writing those things in the middle.

And I hope eventually to get some transcripts and I'll let everybody I can I can slow down too?

I apologize.

But, but no. That's okay. But I I I, I I like, what could be on people's minds, see, because, you know, like, what our website's all about is, like, about the learning process.

Mhmm.

And I am gonna assume that when you started doing this and making your tea that you were keeping it simple and starting with one or two herbs, seeing how that affected you, seeing and learning about it, why you're making a tea with that one or two herbs, that you're looking it up in the book, you're seeing how it tastes, how it's affecting you. And then you did that for a lot of different herbs, and then eventually, you felt confident enough to start making some blends and moving them around and then, you know, you know what I mean? Am I right?

Absolutely. And, you know, even if you just made, you know, a decoction of echinacea, you know, to start with. And then, you know, you might say and this is what I did. Oh, you know, we have respiratory congestion. Well, what's good for respiratory congestion? And you look it up that way. Oh, I can add that in.

And for my case, I knew that what we were being exposed to was viral. So I was looking at all the antiviral herbs that I could that I could add. Obviously, lemon balm has a wonderful flavor to any tea that you're making. It's just it's a nice tea on its own.

And so I add that and I try it. And of course like I said before the nettles is high in vitamin C and I knew that I needed to boost my vitamin C when I was feeling run down. So, yeah, exactly. You just you work through.

You add things.

You take them away when they taste horrible and you can barely barely drink down, you know, and Right.

Exactly that. You just it's it's all it's fun because you really can't go wrong. You know? It's it's it's it's a fun little mystery to solve.

And exactly. It's when you're doing this, you hit the nail on the head there because it's all about keeping the mystery going for you.

Yeah.

Like, and what is exciting? Like, you know, honestly, there okay. There is a time when, like, say, if I have cold coming on or whatever or something, I was like, okay. I've got this tincture that I'm gonna do this and I all this stuff going on and I you know?

The last few cold or anything like that, I've been like, well, you know, actually, if anybody just looks on the one on our on the learning herbicide, pretty much most of it's there.

But, you know, the last couple times is I just will go in the kitchen and chomp on a couple of cloves of garlic, swallow them down, I'll go to bed and wake up just fine.

It's like, alright. That's all we need. We're gonna keep it simple here.

Very true. And, you know, that's really good to know. And keep in mind too, because when you're traveling, you don't have, you know, your little bottles of nettles and your bottles of cleavers and you, you know, all these different things. And so go to the grocery store and get a garlic clove and eat it.

You know? That you know? Do that with a with a with a piece of ginger root if you're really nauseous too. You know?

That's just have the one or two things that are easily obtainable and then you know when, you know, when you're not near your herb kitchen, you know, what you can do.

Yep. And that's exactly I did a full free course on learning herbs. Probably a lot of you have done it called Supermarket Herbalism and and every day you get, like, a little couple paragraph lesson, and it just tells you exactly that. What's in the supermarket that's really can help a lot of first aid situations.

Yeah.

And, you know, so that I mean, everything from peppermint and chamomile to everyone, ginger, garlic, oats, you know.

I mean, there's so much.

I think something that's really good for people to know is, how to best prepare those, how to get the most out of it because like you said when you were referring to that example of the person that getting that feverfew tea and trying it.

A lot of people make a cup of tea, they put the teabag in the water and they take it out and they drink the tea and you may not have necessarily extracted the active constituents that are there that work for that ailment.

So, you know, what's that?

How would you make a tea? You're gonna make some feverfew tea.

If I was gonna make a tea for myself to drink, well, I I can I like I said before, I said herbal beverage because, anything with a root, and with the exception of red clover, I, I do that simmer, bring the water to a boil and simmer it for ten minutes?

Anything leafy or flowery then, you know, you infuse it. You run the boiling water through it and, and let that steep for I always steep everything for a minimum of fifteen minutes. Mhmm. And, it really you know, you you pull out different constituents the longer you steep or the shorter you steep. But especially when it comes to roots, it always makes me, you know, I get a little chuckle when I go and I see all these different echinacea Ts and I don't really feel that you can pull the active constituents from echinacea out of a T especially if you just sort of, you know, dunked it in a few times and taken it out.

You really need to decoct that root to pull that out.

That's, like what I feel like it's more of it as a of a joke too is the little, herbal pills, that you see. I you know, someone it's because they're kinda dangerous because somebody says, yeah. Nettles, we so we can talk about all how great a nettle is.

But if you, you know, go to the store and buy a thing of nettle pills and take two of those little tiny capsules full of nettle powders that, you know, they're not getting anything.

You're not getting right. Nothing.

And and so, you know, maybe some of the pills might work alright in some situations, but that's what you're saying. It's the power of knowing how to use them.

Yeah. Exactly. How to best prepare it. That was, that was one thing that we learned a lot in that course that I took was, what are the active constituents in each herb and how is it best to extract those? You know, certain alkaloids are extracted with, alcohol where, drawing a blank. Sorry.

Exactly. Some alcohol, some with water.

Water, some right. Exactly. And some with oils. And Right. And it's best to know that's exactly why we learned that that chemical breakdown of the herbs to know the best way of of preparing it.

As I'm talking to you here before we started, I was feeling a little nervous and I felt like, you know, maybe something coming on in my lungs. I did the ginger lemon honey tea recipe that I have on the website, and I've been drinking that. And when I did that, yeah, I let the ginger sit for about a half hour before it even. Now it's this very potent tea and it's, you know, it's settled my stomach and it's, you know, it's kinda helped my lungs out a bit, opened them up.

We're talking about learning about different nerves. A lot of people, and I know, let's see, about ninety five percent or more, probably a hundred percent of us on this call. What do we do when we're really, really inspired to wanna do something right? We go through the bookstore, and we look.

And then and then, of course, we we we we're drawn to the the the the bigger books because, you know, there's there's more in a bigger book, and the bigger books have beautiful pictures.

And and then we collect these, and then and then we're not In this collection, but it's a while before we actually learn how to access those.

So what's your what's a couple of your favorite, herbal books that that you, someone someone, emailed asking that question. So that was, that was Marissa asked that. What's your favorite herbal book? A couple of them.

I have I have quite an extensive library of herbal books, and it is, like you said, it's like an addiction. You can't stop and I, you know, I I I can't help it. I have to look at them every single time, and I've tried to cut down my my spending, I suppose. But, I have always, like I said before, you know, I've always been interested in in herbs, and so I had a lot of the the old standards, you know, Rosemary Gladstar's Family Herbal and Earl Mandel's Herb Bible.

Mhmm.

Oh, I had, ones that I accessed all the time were, like, what's it called? Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Odey.

Mhmm. Oh, that was a good that's a good one.

It's a good one. And she really does a nice job of illustrating how to make things with a lot of different herbs, which was why I I enjoyed that one before I did my studies. Now now that I have a different perspective and I I can kind of appreciate that scientific approach of, a bit more even though it does get over my head, the pharmacology and all of that. But one book I use all the time is, it's Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.

Mhmm.

And, Michael Hoffman wrote one called Medical Herbalism. That's a fantastic book. It's it's deep and especially the first few chapters are really scientific and like I said, a lot of that goes over my head but it still talks about the constituents and it really does if the constituents are confusing people, which are the, you know, the properties, like we mentioned before, how to best extract those properties from the earth, it really does talk about them and explain them. Them. That's a fantastic book.

Mhmm. Another one I use a lot is Herbal Medicine, with a guide for for healthcare professionals, and that's a compilation of authors. I don't know the off the top of my head, the editor on that one. But I still use I still use all the other ones.

I still look at them. I I referenced Rosemary Gladstar's. I referenced, Susan Weeds. You know, I I used the same one you mentioned, Childbearing Year.

I used that extensively, and I I still reference it, you know, her menopausal years. Another book I have is called Kids Herbs and Health. That's a fantastic book. And especially for people that have your kit, if they purchased your kit.

It might be a little bit over somebody's head because it talks about all these different things you can make. But it it is, if if you have the things around to actually make the product the stuff with, the recipes are good and and my daughter likes them, most of them.

It's a great reference. It's great even for, you know, an adult. You don't have to just be talking about a kid.

So I I guess those those are my my top ones. That Medical Herbalism is a fantastic book. It's a it's a I think that was an expensive one.

So it's, you know, it's a quite an investment, but it's wonderful, wonderfully researched, wonderful reference that I, you know, and and for for me, coming from more of a folk herbalism side, like, I have an access to use a lot of those books that you're mentioning because I just wanted to point out, yeah, there's a lot of ways to learn.

Exactly.

I have some I have some you know, I have a Druid's Herbal. I have Good Magic. Of course, I always buy Llewellyn's Herb, Almanac every single year. You know, I love that that magical herb side.

Everyone should just get used to the fact that you're going into a used bookstore. You're seeing it. You open the book up, and you see that one thing that you wanna learn right now and you buy the book, does it not mean you have to read it from cover to cover?

You know, we add it to our reference shelf, and then we explain it to our husbands or wives that why we bought this new but Or we say, no.

No. I've had that all along. What are you crazy? Oh, yeah. That was true. Buy anything new.

Well, I've been using a lot the, family herbal by Rosemary Gladstar recently. I've been very inspired by that one.

That's a great book.

And another one, just like the Penelope Odey one that she she does such a nice job illustrating on how to use them and and make product, you know, make remedies, how to make stuff, and it's one of those all in one, you know.

And a lot of cosmetic as well.

Well, the reason why I have Healingwise on our the required book for, main required book for Susan Weed for, the roots and branches courses because, a lot of people ask me this because some people are like, oh, you know, Susan's kinda strong. You know, sometimes, like, I don't know if necessarily like the way she words things or something or maybe they don't like her some of her ideas and all. And and but, you know, I haven't found another single book that just says, hey. Look at these really common here's five or six really common plants that grow around us. And here's a whole bunch of things you can do with them.

Yeah.

And the things that are growing in your backyard one at a time. Let's go on a journey with dandelion. Now let's make a bunch of stuff with dandelion and get to know dandelion.

And it's that slow method of just getting to know one herb from the plant's perspective at a time.

Yep.

So I mean, that's, you know, for me, that's always gonna remain my, my favorite book.

Yeah. Oh, there's so many too. That's that is a fantastic book. I have that one as well. I got I have like I said, I have an addiction.

So we got, about about ten minutes or so left, and and I I wanted to ask you, because I I, I put it out there like, oh, we're going to talk about learning about herbs, we're going to talk about some elements and we've done that. Would you mind, let's see, just taking a couple of questions about some, Herbal business specifics? Because I think some of the people that are really inspired to maybe how to go into this like, because somebody was asking, do you do you need a commercial kitchen to do this?

Or No.

You don't.

Every state has different licensing issues and you should definitely do the research through your state and find out what they require. But generally you do not because they're not FDA approved. You don't have to follow FDA standards for production, which is which is nice because a lot of us wouldn't be able to afford that investment if that was the case.

Yeah. I know.

There is a little bit of a downside to that because you can really just pretty much have anybody do it, which, you know, as far as, you know, with me running running my business, I feel very strongly about why I choose the herbs that I choose and and what their medicinal purpose is in the product. And then you have, you know, somebody that just likes the smell of that essential oil and so they mix it with beeswax and olive oil and they sell it. So you end up having that and and because there is no standards, there isn't any you don't have to be a licensed herbalist or anything like that.

I have not personally gotten into any internal herbal products for sale. So I I don't know at this point, whether or not, you know, if you need to have, you know, if there are different requirements. From what I have gathered, my particular state does not require. I live in Maine and I produce my products in New Hampshire.

Good point. Check from state to state.

Definitely check from state to state.

But you did this in your home at first and then you and then you have and now you have a spot at a, like, a commons I saw, like a I do.

We have a wonderful trend around here where these old textile mills that have been built along all of the rivers are being remodeled and broken down into smaller units for very inexpensive, spaces, commercial spaces. And so fortunately for me, I have one of these. I live on the I live in Maine, but I live on the New Hampshire border and right across the river in New Hampshire is this mill and so I've moved in there and I do my production in there now, which is really nice. I I don't lug things up from my cellar into my kitchen and then have put them all back in milk crates and lug them all back downstairs every time I I make something.

I I get to leave everything all set up and have everything have a place and and a purpose.

You get you get your herbs from do you pick some or do you get them from a distributor?

Or I most of the herbs that I buy, I try to buy as much certified organic as I can.

And so I order most of my herbs mostly from the West Coast because that's where the certified organic herbs farms are.

Right.

So I I don't grow anything that I use commercially, if I grow things in my garden, which is pretty limited because I I honestly, I'm not I'm not much of a gardener.

I'd love to learn more gardening and I I'm kind of the same way.

I'm a I'm a wonderful wildcrafter. Yeah.

I do have an herb garden, and I even have that growing an herb garden dot com website, which I I got.

I started, and it's kinda sitting there. And and I was inspired at one point. I started it out, and there's there's gonna be a time when I get a garden going in my our new house we got a couple of years ago. When I get that garden going and I can start blogging about it or something.

Yeah. Definitely. You know, I I have done and I've put in a lot of things and then, you know, it's just it takes a lot of time, and and I don't unfortunately, I don't have that time right now and, Brenna likes to pick the herbs and doesn't really care much about maintaining them.

So she hasn't That's played great.

Dandelion.

Yeah. Exactly.

So we yes. We have lots of dandelion.

We don't, we have that wildly growing everywhere, and we we harvest that together. And, you know, I've got lemon balm and I've got mother wort and a few different things that grow, but they kind of grow out of control and take over and and, you know, that's fine with me at this point. It still looks beautiful.

So so you don't need any, like, herbal license program was for my own knowledge.

And, again, like I said before, to to express to clients and customers the scientific background. And I and I I use the, you know, my I have MH after my name just just to sort of give credibility to myself that I, you know, I I've taken these courses.

I understand, you know, I I hope you trust the fact that I I know what I'm talking about and and I hope you see that I might have more knowledge than, you know, just somebody mixing stuff up. You know, that's that's basically it. But nobody requires me to put that on there. There's lots of different programs. The American Herbalist Guild, you can join that and put A H G after your name. I think the Botanical Council has their own thing that you can do.

So We where I went, I had the three year program I did. We have CCH, which which means community centered herbalism because their whole thing is kinda like that book, The Village Herbalist, is learning stuff and and and being your resource and a stand for herbs for people in your community. Nice. Yeah.

Exactly. A different way. And that's the whole thing, the whole licensure thing, and there's always a discussion and, amongst herbalists. And, you know, it's it's a tough one because you can see in one hand where you want people to if you you are a a person going to someone for some, you know, health reasons that you'd want, the person maybe doesn't qualifications, then you know what?

There's NDs, naturopathic doctors for that.

But, but you know what? I I feel like that, you know, learn that the plants and learning about them and using them is all of our own, like, birthright to you.

It is. I was just gonna say that. I was gonna say it's our heritage. You know?

I mean, it's just that And and and and and and and I feel like if there was this big licensure thing that it would discourage and intimidate, you know, two thirds of the people on this call to even bothering.

Right. And it's just another thing that costs a lot of money. I mean, it's you know, there's so many different organizations that there are to join. If we had to be licensed as well, it's just another expense.

And if the standards for licensure didn't deter people, then I'm sure the expense would and and a bureaucratic organization.

Because if anyone wants to be a doctor with herbs, you can.

You can come to the Bastyr University near Absolutely.

You can be an ND. A lot of states have licensed NDs.

You could get into Chinese herbs and be an acupuncturist. Like, hey. It's funny. I'm an acupuncturist, but I don't really know anything about Chinese herbs or I know where do I use them. I'm not really even attracted because for me, yeah, for me, it's like, I feel like I'm friends with the herbs that grow around me.

Yeah. I I agree with you one hundred percent. I I, you know, I've touched on it a little bit. And then, you know, in my studies, we always have, you know, just opened our eyes to to different healing modalities. And, you know, so I've touched on them and I've used some Chinese herbs, but I when you say you're not even all that interested in it there, you know, I I I can associate that with that one hundred percent.

I like to know and feel and and be able to, you know, communicate with the herb myself, you know.

Yes. There's a relationship that forms. And when you see those plants growing in your system or in your garden, and you're going through the seasons, and you're sprouting the plants, seeing it sprout or growing it and collecting it and making your there's a there's a relationship that forms. And I believe that relationship here I am on my on my on my preaching moment. No. I believe that that relationship is half or more of the medicine.

I I agree. Yes.

You you're adding your energy to that plant to to, I I agree with that completely. I mean, that that is not that is what I, you know, I didn't study in that course. That course was very scientific in that aspect, but my own personal views. And when I make a product, I have my own little blessing that I say, and I thank the herb for its, you know, its properties. And I add it I ask the herb to add that, that particular healing property to whatever I'm making at the time and that I agree with you completely.

Yeah. Thanks. And, that's, yeah. I mean, for the chronic things, I, you know, it's kind of why I became an acupuncturist. I mean, I feel like I can help people with migraines and that and fairly effectively and and all and and, but it's a very different thing than the, herbs. It's very different. I was kinda that's what kind of got me interested in it in the beginning was, oh, there's something I can do with herbs, and then it kinda took me on a different journey.

You know? Yep. So, I before we wrap it up here, people did email me questions. I went over most of them.

There was one question I just wanna get here before we kinda close it up. And it was from Sue, and and we were talking about oils and things, and and she made comfrey and olive oil. And she decanted it today, actually, and it smelled really horrible. There's no mold or anything, but it just smells bad.

So is is it okay, Jessica?

As long as the oil that she used was was fresh and wasn't rancid in any way and that, and then she's, you know, pretty confident in that. I I, you know, I think it probably was the oxidation of that just, you know, because it's been sealed up and it finally hit hit oxygen and and, you know, a little bit of gases came out, I I think it's perfectly fine.

And what I'd recommend that you do, Sue, is next time when you do your oils in the early phase, if you're using a Mason jar, leave the leave the lid part off and just use a screw band and and and put a paper towel over it and let it breathe while it's, while it's going. And then in the first couple of weeks, stir it with a chopstick or something for the first couple weeks until the herbs kinda go down. Then, and then when it's all done, it may have a little bit of that smell. And even what you can do now is, take that screw band off and take the little lid off, put the paper towel on, put the screw band back on your mason jar, you know, that's now that you have it to can't sit, and just let it mellow out and just let it be like that.

And then I think in time, you'll find that it'll, and when it starts smelling alright. Now you can use this even if it doesn't smell great in in a salve or an oil. Well, just, you know, if you put it in a salve or something, just add some lavender essential oil and often that can just cover up the smell.

Yep.

So that's, that's a little practical tip.

So before we say goodbye here and thank you for coming, I just want to say, just kind of do a couple of ending notes, some details. Is that okay, Jessica?

Sure. Sure.

Okay. Great. Because I wanna give away that cool prize.

Let me thank you everybody for listening too. I I really appreciate it, and this is, this is a lot of fun. Thank you again, John.

Oh, you're welcome. And you hang on there too because I'm not finished the unit. I'm using my I'm I'm I'm I'm using my super high-tech, raffling system.

Is it a hat?

I do. I do.

Let's see. And I'm looking I'm searching for the the phone number. I know this is really primitive, folks. I I I, take me a second if I was only a little more organized.

Let's see here.

Okay. Well, anyway, there's a person on the line, and I can't find it from the file I downloaded, with the phone number.

Three two zero two five nine nine zero six seven is the number you're calling from. And just send me an email at, oh, just through the website or john at learning herbs dot com. Sometimes that does doesn't go through spam filters. So or you could just go through the website and use the contact form, three two zero two five nine nine zero six seven. And what I'm giving away today is, all three of those charts that we sell on learning or Oh.

Yeah. The That's great. Yeah. The, herbal cultivation guide, the, the, what do you have, man? The common remedy, the ailment one, and the vitamin and mineral chart. So you just email me over and then your address and everything, and then we'll get that to you.

Congratulations, whoever that is.

Yeah.

We'll be doing this every time, but we'll give away something different every time.

So, as I we were talking about before we officially started, some folks were still on the line that the WildCraft game is on schedule and will be here to my house by early December and everything will probably go on sale. I mean, I'll probably have it up, at the very end of the month.

So I'm in contact with those people regularly.

And so just a couple things, about it. Let's see.

About one. Okay.

Oh, yeah. Somebody asked emailed me as well about that wanting to know the age for it, and it's ages four and above. We my thing with Kimberly was that she, make it so a four year old can do it, meaning that they didn't have to read, that they could use icons and learn from the image kind of burning in their heads, you know, which is kinda cool.

So, you know, they could play once they learn it, they could play it with some of their friends.

And, also, there's a story that you can download as well so mom and dad and grandma and grandpa can all play with them too, because there's little stories that go with about wildcrafting.

As you go through the board, you go through different ecosystems and it teaches you about the different wildcrafting, safety thing, and sustainability in the different ecosystems. Isn't that cool, Derek?

That is such a cool thing. I cannot wait to get this game.

Me neither.

So excited.

We've been working on it since last, like, February.

So speaking of wildcrafting, next Thursday, we have same bat time, same no, it's not bat time, same dandelion time, same dandelion channel.

There's a for all well, I ran out to for any of you guys who watched nineteen sixty television.

On November sixteenth on Thursday, we have, noted herbalist Betsy Bancroft, and she's a teacher at Tom Brown's tracker school for a while. That's where I first heard her name. And my friend, Mark, who, Tolleson, who runs a wilderness school down in Santa Barbara, he's talking about her all the time. And I called up United Plant Savers one day because I wanna tell them about this game, and they're all about sustainable wild crafting.

And there's Betsy on the line. She works there. And then I was like, oh, you're Betsy. And so I talked to her a few weeks back, and she's really excited to be with us and talk all about, like, we're gonna talk about, you know, harvesting and collecting and sustainability and herbal.

And it's really kind of important things to know if any of you are really thinking about going and picking your own herbs. So we're gonna talk about those. And please don't forget to visit, more naturally dot com. Right?

M o o r e Yep. Moore with it.

My last name. Moore. Justin Moore.

That's that's a great last name to have.

It's got these cool tote bags and also I guess, definitely, we're gonna have to arrange some trades, I thank you.

And Oh, yes.

And, I've got after the after this next couple of weeks, it's, crazy right now, but I'm gonna have some new products and new gift sets and things up there for the holidays. So keep checking back.

Yeah.

So keep, with us in the code, I'll have Susan Weed on on November thirtieth, and we'll have John Young on, on the twenty seventh, on Monday. And John Young is gonna talk about some really cool stuff that has to do with, oh, mentoring youth, about things that Tom Brown Junior growing up as a kid taught him about plants, stuff that he just hasn't really talked much about. John's a really noted naturalist and tracker and speaker. He speaks around the world on different kinds of things, and he wrote the Come On and Naturalist training program for Wilderness Awareness School.

And so, it's gonna be a fun time. I've known him for about twenty years or something like that. So Great. That'll be a fun conversation.

And, well, I think that's pretty much it. And, once again, I'd like to thank Jessica Moore for being with us tonight.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we'll, well, I'm sure we'll be talking talking soon, connecting, and I look forward to seeing what other really cool stuff that you have.

I look forward to my game.

I know. Me too.

I don't know who I don't know if it's more of a present for her or for me.

I know. I got well, I got the fifteen hundred of them coming to my garage, and then we had to literally build a shed in the backyard.

It's so funny. I well, since, you know, this you know, since anybody can hang up anytime they want, but we Okay.

So and so, basically, like, we I went to Lowe's and bought this shed kit, and I didn't realize what I was getting myself into. Fourth of September, building the shed in the back. So all the stuff in the garage is in the shed. Now my garage is empty.

We're awaiting, you know, like an entire garage load. I mean, I don't know. We kind of got ourselves a little over our head. But anyway, it's going to be really great.

We're really excited and we're getting a lot of positive feedback about it and all.

And I have been spreading the word. I I'm I'm so excited.

Thank you very much. Well, everyone, thank you very much for joining us. And, I was glad that our electricity and everything was on after our big flood. If any watching national news or those who weren't looking at the election, our our, our whole town were flooded, and we couldn't even go anywhere yesterday. We were kinda, like, on high ground here. Luckily, you didn't come that close to the house, but it was pretty, pretty crazy.

Alright. So I'll talk to you later, and bye, everybody. Goodbye. Thank you so much.

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